Nov. 13th, 2009 at 11:13 PM
This is Fanlore's page on the same work of Sockii's. As you can see, it was lifted directly from FH--art and all.
Clicking through Sockii Press's links shows that this isn't the only case--and that I am in no way linking to the only two examples. Wiki-lifting aside, keep in mind that OTW's people are lifting fanart they don't have the rights to or permissions for, and are claiming it for their site.
Sockii knows; Sockii is the one who found the stolen artwork. Sockii and FH aren't currently doing anything because of OTW's response to the Yuletide debacle--where if you don't want your fanworks moved to another hosting area or location outside of your control, they don't want anything to do with you and don't want you to be a part of their exchange--and how their response to fanzine creators who don't want their 'zines to be part of OTW's archive is pretty much "Sucks to be you!" with an added, especially unbelievable side of "We won't scan it or post it online without your permission!"
In short, Sockii doesn't expect a site with no DMCA takedown procedures (and with this sort of response to fannish concerns over artistic rights) to give two shits about their feelings and rights as an artist.
Yup. This is what OTW, parent of An Archive Of Our Own & the Fanlore wiki, absorbers of both the Yuletide fic exchange and previous Yuletide fanworks (no matter artists' wishes to control the locations of their own work), and self-proclaimed defender of fandom rights and the proverbial fannish little
I . . . find myself not at all surprised.
Where is the outrage? Is it because these people are supposedly fans? Fanlib said they might copy parts of &/or a work to a different location and people flipped the fuck out. These people lift artwork without permission and run roughshod over the 'zinemakers, the people who helped really get this fannish boat sailing to begin with, and I only hear about it from a friend of Sockii's? How do any of us know that our fanworks, in any format, won't be lifted for their site/archive under the guise of some sort of historical importance?
We don't. Not anymore.
How the hell does this work?
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There is no outrage because people don't want to get into the bad books of a BNF who runs a big fannish event, and writes books people love, etc.
Oddly enough, I do in fact intend to complete my Yuletide assignment - I got a lovely idea for a story and I'm going to enjoy putting it together. I'm just not going to post it on the Yuletide archive.
I'm also sure the mess that went down with Laura had much more fuel and momentum than could be caused by one BNF flipping her nose at her.
I'm also sure the mess that went down with Laura had much more fuel and momentum than could be caused by one BNF flipping her nose at her.
Well, yeah. Not that I'm a BNF. ;-)
Maybe I'm openly offended because I've got a sense of right & wrong that overrides my giving a fuck about who any of them are . . . though I'm still amused that she's running fairly major aspects of OTW both as herself and as her fan self.
I think they all - the cluster of fans running OTW - began by running it as their real selves, and then had to add on their fan selves when a bunch of people reacted with "Who the hell are these academics and writers trying to tell us how to run fandom!" But I may have got that wrong: almost everything I know about OTW I got by second-hand report from my f-list.
The last e-mail I got from Astolat, in response to the one where I cited the rules of Yuletide at her, accused me of having "a sense of entitlement", and I thought: well yes, I do feel entitled, both to feel that I have been a part of Yuletide - I wrote stories for it from 2003-2008 - and to know what the Yuletide rules are and to require Astolat/Elyn to play by them. Fannish institutions are never immortal because they're always dependent on fans doing them because they're fun. When they stop being fun, they stop happening.
Fan History also changed its license... so they can technically use our content so long as they cite us appropriately.
http://blktauna.insanejournal.com/11146
On the issue of Yuletide, I'm more than happy to say that the Organization for Transformative Works is worse than FanLib ever was... because while FanLib may have brought the threat of others usurping fan fiction writer's content with out their consent, the Organization for Tranformative Works actually did it. And they'll never get that but they will write self congratulating papers about how they brought down the ebil FanLib.
But Fanlib was out to make monnneeeyyyyysss, omg! And they were stupid enough to admit they were wrong when people started to get upset. That must be what it was--they were awful flip-floppers, like those silly politicians who might've changed their minds over something. Because recognizing that something's not right is a sign of weakness and means one must be exterminated.
It isn't funny at all. Seriously, unfunny.
It should be on unfunny_business it is so unfunny, with a link round up of your posts and blktaun's and the links inside yuletide.FanLib is evil because of all that you said... but they can turn around and do the opposite and no worries mate! We're the good guys. Yeah, uh huh. Right. Couple that with the shit after Race!Fail and basically saying that the only way you won't get attacked by their group is if you sit down, shut up and take it up the ass, no one really can have a calm discussion about it. The great uniters are like George Bush coming into office.
I was thinking of doing a post with a links-roundup on the storyblog...