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randomsome1 ([info]randomsome1) wrote,
@ 2009-08-07 00:01:00

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Entry tags:in ur novel eatin ur book, linktasm, publishing

bad behavior in the book field
Is this a branch of Racefail, or is it just outright race & gender failure?


Justine Larbalestier wrote a YA book called Liar, about a mixed-race, dark-skinned, short-haired character--a book where the character's race and appearance factor heavily into the storyline. Publisher Bloomsbury Press decided the best cover to put on this book was a shot of a long-haired white girl.

Now, plenty of covers fuck up character descriptions--but when official people from the publishing house defend their choices with things like this:

    “The entire premise of this book is about a compulsive liar,” said Melanie Cecka, publishing director of Bloomsbury Children’s Books USA and Walker Books for Young Readers, who worked on Liar. “Of all the things you’re going to choose to believe of her, you’re going to choose to believe she was telling the truth about race?”
And tell the author things like this:
    Since I've told publishing friends how upset I am with my Liar cover, I have been hearing anecdotes from every single house about how hard it is to push through covers with people of colour on them. Editors have told me that their sales departments say black covers don't sell. Sales reps have told me that many of their accounts won't take books with black covers. Booksellers have told me that they can't give away YAs with black covers. Authors have told me that their books with black covers are frequently not shelved in the same part of the library as other YA-they're exiled to the Urban Fiction section-and many bookshops simply don't stock them at all.
Yeah, not cool. Seems it's too strange a thing to have people of color on book covers, and no one wants to try to acclimate the general public to the novel idea of integration.

At least, not if a potential monetary loss is involved.

~~

And while we're at it . . . An anthology is coming out entitled The Mammoth Book of Mindblowing Sci-Fi. People checking out the book noticed that the list of included "mind-blowing" authors contains no women or people of color.

Not only has at least one of the authors come charging out of the woodwork to make an ass of himself:

    Every single commenter here seems to me to be committing a logical fallacy of tremendous dimension, one so big it distorts entire worldviews:

    DEMANDING THAT EVERY SINGLE INSTANCE OF EVERYTHING COMPOSITE SHOULD BE ABSOLUTELY STATISTICALLY REPRESENTATIVE OF THE COMPOSITION OF THE ENTIRE COSMOS

    You know what: a potato field is not likely to contain corn plants. A pine forest might feature an oak or three, but be 99% pine trees. The Beatles were 4 white guys. Sonic Youth has no people of color! My ream of copy paper is all white, with no sheets of lettuce included!

    (...)

    But I have to say that when ANY WRITER (not just female writers or writers of color) complains about being excluded from a venue and cites issues of platonic principle and idealism, I always first posit underlying jealousy and a desire for status underneath all the lofty hypothetical talk.
(To which I said, "What the hell?")

Then the editor, Mike Ashley, came in to help make things worse.
    That probably has something to do with my concept of "mind-blowing". Women are every bit as capable of writing mindblowing sf as men are, but with women the stories concentrate far more on people, life, society and not the hard-scientific concepts I was looking for.
Mike Ashley also notes that he did ask for stories from women, too. Two of them. Even though all we're capable of writing about is people and society, not science.

(Also, as an editor I want to bite him.)

Fires need set. I think The Angry Black Woman just set that fire for me. I like her. :D

Eta: Another bit of WTF has come to my attention: that of a male author with a feminine name, who wrote a story from a male's POV and had it rejected--brutally--because the editor says he, as a woman writer, doesn't know how to write a convincing male character.

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[info]wingedrivers
2009-08-10 11:31 pm UTC (link)
Are... no... You gotta be kidding me...

This is just flat out ridiculous! "Womenz in the writing world? How absurd!! They need to go make us men some sammiches while we write our werds" And that ETA is just completely WTF right there.

I'd ask what is wrong with the publishing industry, but it's all too obvious what's at fault.

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[info]randomsome1
2009-08-11 12:33 am UTC (link)
Hell, we're getting to the point where we can start calling 'em by first name, even.

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[info]shikomekidomi
2009-08-12 12:02 pm UTC (link)
Hm... Sorry, if they can prove that it's literally harder to sell covers with nonwhite people on them I can see where the massive corporations that are dedicated to only making money might want to avoid doing that. I mean, it would be nice if they crusaded to change that state of affairs but it's not actually their business to do so. Though I just would have avoided putting characters on the cover at all. There's probably a location shot or symbol one could use instead. Actively misrepresenting the main character is over the line.
On your other news I'm sure I've read good sci-fi by both women and people of color, though, which makes it seem impossible that the editor couldn't find ANY. And while the author may suspect people who complain about being excluded of just having sour grapes, I find that when there are prejudiced comments coming from the person making the exclusions it makes the selection process suspect. So this guy upsets me more than the publishing thing (because at least that seems to be amoral greed rather than immoral bias).

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[info]randomsome1
2009-08-12 02:26 pm UTC (link)
The point pulled out somewhere in that mess is that you don't see a YA book with the weight of the publishing house behind it & with a black cover--the entire self-fulfilling prophecy mess. But yeah, far less problematic to drop a non-identifying cover than it is to prove one's douchebaggery by throwing stuff around like "How do you know she's really not white?"

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[info]shikomekidomi
2009-08-13 05:04 am UTC (link)
Ah, right. When you sabotage things and then use their lack of success to justify not doing them you're basically just rationalizing bias.
And that's why you should always take the weasel route rather than the confrontational route if you aren't absolutely invested in your cause.

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[info]randomsome1
2009-08-13 03:07 pm UTC (link)
I prefer to call it the low-impact route--weasels remind me of ferrets, and ferrets smell funny. :P

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[info]shikomekidomi
2009-08-13 09:05 pm UTC (link)
Well, all mustelids have scent glands, though skunks are the only ones to really rely on them as a weapon.
Besides, ferrets are cute. Especially if they've been washed and maybe de-scented.
Besides, I was thinking of the quote "Eagles may soar free and proud but weasels never get sucked into jet engines."

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[info]randomsome1
2009-08-13 09:07 pm UTC (link)
I was thinking of the ferrets at the local, filled-to-capacity shelter. I do not need another dog or a cat or a ferret. But maybe a goat.

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[info]shikomekidomi
2009-08-13 09:27 pm UTC (link)
Well, goats are one of the few things that eat blackberry vines, so that could be handy if your property has any problems with that.
Plus, they can be pretty cute. Especially the little fat miniature ones.

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[info]randomsome1
2009-08-14 03:34 am UTC (link)
It'd be a chunky little lawnmower/fertilizer creator. Also, it'd probably battle Oni, which would be amusing for the first few head-butts/until Oni started howling. He's already afraid of the bunny--adding a goat into the mix might make him a nervous wreck.

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[info]shikomekidomi
2009-08-14 03:54 am UTC (link)
But fear in animals is cute! That's why I occasionally make threatening gestures at the sister's cat, so I can see it recoil slightly with wide eyes before going back to trying to sneak up on me when I turn away.
I'm a bad, bad snake.

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[info]randomsome1
2009-08-14 03:59 am UTC (link)
I'm more amused by rage in supposedly docile animals. :D Guess that's part of why I'm all about the demented bunnies.

I should probably post my story of kitchen-bunny and his scaring the household a bit ago. Hm.

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[info]shikomekidomi
2009-08-14 04:11 am UTC (link)
Yes, you probably should.

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[info]randomsome1
2009-08-12 02:28 pm UTC (link)
& the editor in part 2 seemed quite clear that he didn't really look--that he felt all women write the same and though he sent out two queries to female authors, he didn't really care to take on what women write.

Hard sci-fi isn't really my thing, but I'm pretty sure Butler's turned out some things along those lines.

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[info]shikomekidomi
2009-08-13 05:06 am UTC (link)
Oh yeah, I got that feeling, too. I wonder if he also had an insulting explanation for the lack of nonwhite authors and just hadn't revealed it yet (maybe only white men really grasp hard science in his world view)?

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[info]randomsome1
2009-08-13 03:07 pm UTC (link)
From what I saw, he kinda got quiet after he popped up in that one thread and people started eating him alive.

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[info]shikomekidomi
2009-08-13 09:03 pm UTC (link)
Which is why my musings may never be answered, alas and alack (puts arm dramatically across eyes).
Plus it would have been funny if he kept digging deeper.

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[info]randomsome1
2009-08-13 09:06 pm UTC (link)
Isn't it usually? :)

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[info]afy
2009-08-13 02:30 am UTC (link)
This just further proves that I may want to get a unisex pen name if I ever get published. :(

And hasn't the whole girls-suck-at-math-and-science thing have been revealed to not be true at all....?

*sighs*

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[info]randomsome1
2009-08-13 02:55 am UTC (link)
I'm going with the initial & last name option, if at all possible--and a non-gendered author bio.

I know that I personally am not especially good at on-paper multiplication & division--but I blame that on my being a fairly right-brained individual who happened to cheat her way through third grade math. This doesn't mean I couldn't do calc and trig with the best of 'em later on--just that I loved my calculator a little more than the average student. And none of this has a thing to do with my having boobs.

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