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randomsome1 ([info]randomsome1) wrote,
@ 2008-01-14 23:26:00

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Entry tags:in ur novel eatin ur book, wank

I'd make that Cassie Edwards post but it seems this wank is far from over. Smart Bitches Trashy Books readers offered to take on Cassie Edwards novels to see if there was anything else to find--and they found (among pages and pages and pages of other things) that the woman'd taken chunks out of a Pulitzer-winning novel from 1930.

Big, clunky, recognizable chunks.

Fandom_wank is linking left and right here and here.



Okay, whatever. I'm going for it.

Thankfully, Signet has finally decided to start taking this shit seriously (going back on their initial statement that Edwards had "done nothing wrong") and thus I am spared the moral conundrum of how to bite back at their publishing house without aversely affecting their innocent n00b or mid-list authors. Too bad I can't figure out a way to boot some of these Edwards defenders' brain cells through the computer, though. These people are trolling SBTB and Dear Author, and have shown a dazzling (if somewhat predictable) array of logical failure.

If you have time to check things like that then you need to get a life!
Say (general)you see a crime being committed. If you report it or try to stop the criminal, does that mean you need to get a life?

You've done the outing, now you should just let it go!
Signet tried to brush this under the rug when it came out. We (as bloggers, readers, buyers, and anti-plagiarist individuals) have every reason to believe it’s because of our massive outcry that they’ve taken back their initial statement. Why should we believe that they’ll continue to do the right thing if we ease up on the pressure?

Besides--people keep catching other things she’s stolen, and (to lift a phrase) I'm curious as to how deep this rabbit hole goes.

It’s fair use!
Fair use requires citations. This was her passing off a number of other people’s work, both fiction and non-fiction, frequently word for word, as her own. That’s plagiarism. Big difference.

You’re just attacking her! You just wanna ruin her career!
I’ll mock her for being a shitty writer while I get the flamethrower for the plagiarism, sure. But shitty writing is just shitty for the people who have to read or edit it. Plagiarism is another full fly-infested pit of feces entirely. And no, I firmly believe that plagiarists should not get publishing contracts—especially those like Edwards, who refuse to understand or acknowledge that they’ve done wrong. Come on, now. Publishing a known plagiarist is like having some guy who's promised you a nice date taking you to a barnyard and nailing a sheep in front of you, then calling you back the next day to ask for another date. Are you gonna say to yourself, "Well, he was such a nice person--Maybe his sheep-fucking days are over and I should give him another try!"

Of course you wouldn't!

Readers are pulling stolen chunks out of books Edwards published from 1983 to 2007. This woman has made a career out of stealing other people’s work. Why the hell should it continue? And why should we try to protect Edwards from the consequences of her own actions?

It has to be proven in a court of law!
I don’t know where the fuck people get off with this. It’s right there, in writing and in almost mirrored text. It’s not cited. That’s plagiarism. John M. Barrie, the guy who helped create anti-plagiarism software for colleges, has called it plagiarism. That really means it’s plagiarism. You’re telling me that you don't believe your eyes or an expert in the field, that you need a judge to spell out to you that these texts are the same? Are you fucking serious?

Add in how plagiarism in and of itself isn’t illegal (though hideously unethical), but copyright infringement is, and your demand for a criminal trial becomes a little ludicrous I guess I’ll have to start pulling the still-in-copyright stuff she’s been caught stealing. Like the encyclopedia bits and research books and Pulitzer winners and wildlife magazine articles, and the fully lifted author's note, and . . . Jeez, I need a beer. But for the still-being-compiled list of what's been hit, check here.

Why does it matter, she isn’t selling nearly as much now anyway!
So it’s okay because she’s already made money off pretending someone else’s work is her own?

But she’s an old woman and you’re just being mean to her!
Please tell me what age I must be to no longer be held responsible for my actions.

(The ubiquitous) You’re just jealous! *invocation of Godwin's law, Snacky's law, so forth*
Because outing someone for stealing and hating the fact that they stole has something to do with jealousy. And speaking out against that is an act of treachery, treason, unnecessary aggression, and just plain meanness. Really now.



May add more later. Still being angry. But this is certainly a wank of legend.


But for the happiness to this massive wankstorm: Nora Roberts! I think I love Nora Roberts now. I still haven't read her stuff but after reading her posts during the Lanaia Lee wank and seeing her have the balls to stand up and decry Edwards's actions to the AP (when so many authors are quiet in an attempt to not rock the metaphorical boat and when that moron Jennifer Crusie jumped into the fray to decry SBTB's outing as bullying when the posts themselves were remarkably objective) . . . I want to send her shiny things.


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Wank of Ages
[info]threeoranges
2008-01-15 04:46 pm UTC (link)
Signet tried to brush this under the rug when it came out. We (as bloggers, readers, buyers, and anti-plagiarist individuals) have every reason to believe it’s because of our massive outcry that they’ve taken back their initial statement. Why should we believe that they’ll continue to do the right thing if we ease up on the pressure?

WORD. That's the truth of it - this isn't about "bullying", "Biblical stoning" or "being nasty for nasty's sake", it's about applying enough public pressure so that the publishers will take the necessary action. Let people like Crusie flatter themselves that their distaste for the spectacle is the sign of a kind heart - in the end, I'd imagine Crusie would be decidedly disgruntled if someone pillaged her prose without acknowledgement.

I hope Cassie Edwards maintains a dignified silence and makes some financial restitution to those she pillaged so spectacularly. Maybe those who hold the copyright to LAUGHING BOY might even have cause to thank her - Westerns aren't my genre, but I was very impressed by the extracts from that novel! Looked like the work of a born writer. I'll check it out when I'm through with my current reading-list.

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[info]randomsome1
2008-01-15 07:20 pm UTC (link)
I find myself wondering if that forwarded response is really hers. If so, so much for the "dignified silence."

I'm wondering if Crusie would want to huggle any plagiarist of her work until they realized that love was truly the answer, or if she'd be justly pissed off.

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[info]threeoranges
2008-01-16 06:19 am UTC (link)
I doubt it is hers: my "irony/parody" radar is going off, especially at the phrase "I will be found innocent and vendicated [sic] of any wrong."

If it is... OH MAN.

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[info]randomsome1
2008-01-16 09:02 am UTC (link)
Denial, river, Egypt, you know how it goes. :D

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[info]korinacaffeine.livejournal.com
2008-01-15 08:26 pm UTC (link)
You know, it always makes me kinda sad when I see published, "professional" authors doing something like this. Grown men and women, too. Makes me wonder if the books I've read and love are also just someone else's stolen work. :/

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[info]randomsome1
2008-01-16 09:04 am UTC (link)
And having to worry about that signals a major major breach of trust between the publishers and the consumers. With all the damned technology out there devoted to catching plagiarized text, it's sheer laziness and greed when shit like this makes it through and into the current market.

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[info]feste3.livejournal.com
2008-01-15 10:22 pm UTC (link)
this is the point at which i bang my head on the desk and ask myself yet again WHY i have any ambition to be a writer *sigh. oh well, here's to hoping that at the very least they'll quit publishing any of her "writing"

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[info]randomsome1
2008-01-16 09:24 am UTC (link)
Here's to that hope.

I talked to a coworker today who knew a kid in his graduate program who published a collection of short stories where one, though well-written, was a rewrite/recreation of someone else's work. All his books got pulled and pulped, and (as I'm told) the kid is now blacklisted.

So it seems it either takes being a n00b author or massive public outcry to get a proper stompdown going. :-\

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[info]wingedrivers
2008-01-16 05:13 am UTC (link)
What is wrong with people? She didn't know to cite her sources? And she "takes" inspriation from reference books?! WTF @ Edwards. That's just... disgusting how people are supporting that!

And wow, I'm impressed with Nora Roberts! I didn't expect someone like that to assist with bringing this woman down!

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[info]randomsome1
2008-01-16 10:41 am UTC (link)
I hate that Roberts is catching flak over it too, but I'm still so very proud. I might even pick up one of her Robb books and try it out.

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[info]shikomekidomi
2008-01-24 06:04 pm UTC (link)
Actually, according to a comedy sketch I once saw--wish I could remember the person and cite them, it was after one hundred that laws should stop applying to you. Little ones at first, like littering and then eventually, by say a hundred and five you could just take anything as long as you could personally carry it back to your house and it'd be yours--you could even steal kids and raise them. Because if you can't stop a hundred and five year old from stealing your stuff, maybe you don't deserve it. And after another few years you could kill people, but only if you could kill them with your bare hands.
As for miss plagiarism, I'm not certain she's old enough to be protected for what amounts to fraud and theft.

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[info]randomsome1
2008-01-24 09:56 pm UTC (link)
Na, not at all.

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(Anonymous)
2008-01-26 09:44 am UTC (link)
(tail_fear from LJ) The guy who wrote the ferrets article has done something about this via Newsweek. Here's the article: http://www.newsweek.com/id/94543

I saw this on MSNBC and couldn't believe it. He, at least, can use quotes properly in order to not plagarize even as he mocks Edwards.

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[info]randomsome1
2008-01-26 10:30 am UTC (link)
After reading the full article, I now < 3 this man as well.
    As a victim of plagiarism, I am left wondering how many other works of mine have been purloined? And what does Edwards owe me? Does she owe me anything, aside from an apology and maybe a free, autographed copy of her book with an "attaboy" on the passage in question? My words did not enhance her novel. They were filler. I can imagine frustrated and horny readers cursing the ferrets and skipping ahead in search of the next nipple.

    I'm no longer angry with Edwards. In fact, I feel sorry for her. The blogosphere is buzzing with irate calls to boycott Edwards's books and appearances. According to an interview she did with the Associated Press, she did not know she was supposed to quote source materials. Ignorance of law and ethics is no excuse, however. Plagiarism victimizes writers. It betrays the trust of readers. It tarnishes the craft of writing.
Me, though, I'm still angry. Because (if this case is any indication) when we stop being angry is when the publishers stop paying attention.

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(Anonymous)
2008-01-27 12:56 am UTC (link)
(t_f) I agree. Ignorane of the law is no excuse. Besides, everyone knows that works of fiction are supposed to be original, not half stolen from someone else.

Plagarists (outside of school) rarely even get a slap on the wrist and their crime is very easy to define and catch. It pisses me off that it takes hundreds of people screaming about something that should have been caught during the editing process, especially when, especially in this case, the plagarized material stands out greatly.

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